NAIS People of Color Conference Blog

December 5, 2009

Courageous Conversations

Filed under: Uncategorized — Jenn Gutierrez @ 2:46 am

As I’ve mentioned, this is my third PoCC, but the last two previous years, I attended as the sole faculty member. The first year in Boston I was entirely alone, and Gene is right–you do remember your first. I distinctly remember being overwhelmed–and tear up more than I’d like to admit. I knew, just knew I had to get students involved somehow. When I returned to school I started a Hip Hop Club (we are a relatively small school without a Diversity Coordinator, without Affinity groups, without much public opportunity for discussion about inclusivity). I was energized. The club attracted one of our very soft-spoken, yet outwardly appearing Afrocentric young male students. When he entered the room the first day, I took a deep breath and thought to myself, “I hope I can do this thing justice.” Luckily, after that first day, I didn’t really have to do much because he completely stepped up to the plate and willingly led almost all subsequent meetings. Unfortunately, he was a senior, and when he left, the club quickly disseminated.

Last year in New Orleans I took two students with me. It was a triumph. I was so excited–even more so because one of those students was my sophomore daughter, and just as I had suspected, the kids were blown away and both felt the experience life-changing.

This year, partly because of the location of the conference, I succeeded just that much further, and I invited my Head of School to present with me. So, for the first time, I am sharing this experience with a colleague from my own school. Words cannot adequately convey the hope I feel in getting him here, yet truth be told, as a White man he was a little hesitant. He repeatedly shared his worry that he might say something wrong.

For anyone who attended our presentation, you’ll recall the story he courageously shared about not being in contact with people of color during his school years. He grew up in New Orleans which apparently has a great deal of segregation in terms of living communities. He grew up in an affluent, all-white neighborhood, attended private school, and was really unaware of the richness of diversity within his own city. The only memory he has of African-American/Black interaction was with his nanny.  When he first shared that story with me, I was incredulous. How can you grow up in New Orleans and not be 100% comfortable with diversity? I think it was difficult for him to share with me the fact that he was nervous about saying the “wrong thing.”

I think that we, as people of color who have experienced discrimination, prejudice, ignorance, apathy, and marginalization, tend to forget that our experience has afforded us the opportunity to develop a vocabulary for expressing our feelings related to culture, race, and identity. If we truly want to engage in courageous conversations with our white colleagues, however, I believe we need to reach out to them with sensitivity. I imagine my words might anger of few of my fellow persons of color, but it seems to me while the PoCC allows us to put down the masks we sometimes live behind in order to survive day-to-day which is comforting, affirming, liberating . . . we don’t have to “convince” one another of the importance of inclusivity. It is the dominant culture within our schools we need to convince, and when members of that community are willing to come into this unique space that defines the People of Color Conference, we must exercise inclusive behavior toward them–even when their cultural vocabularies are sometimes less developed.

At this point you may be wondering what in the heck I am talking about, getting to–John Quinones. His charge.

I sat in on a session yesterday that evolved into a public admonishing of a white attendee who pushed the wrong button with many others in the room. Her vocabulary was just a little more clumsy perhaps, but she was genuinely attempting to act, as she herself labeled, our “ally.” Without taking into consideration her intentions, she was chastised by other audience members for her misuse of language and her inability to fully understand ours.

I am a quiet soul. I hate speaking in group settings. At the front of the room as an educator or presenter, I can pull down a kind of curtain, and I am fine, but just existing in a room full of others is often excruciatingly difficult for me despite my knowledge of how important it might be. Yesterday, I heard Quinones’s charge run through my head, “What would you do?” I felt as though what was happening in that room was counter-productive to the conference mission, and I had to speak up. I slowly, almost unwillingly raised my hand.

I wasn’t called on, however, and luckily, two others spoke up in ways similar to the way in which I would have, but I walked back to the Grand Hyatt in the freezing cold last night with the heaviness of conflicting emotions wrapped around me like a winter cloak.

I don’t believe everyone will read this post and come away with a good feeling, or even a similar reaction to my recollection, and I seriously hesitated posting it because I value the conference and don’t want to in any way “hurt” its mission by revealing the sensitive and often confidential experiences that take place here–but if we don’t examine ourselves, the facets positive and empowering as well as those difficult and not-so-pretty we are not really taking home the mission.

Smooth sailing is refreshing, but it is only in the waves of turbulence that we recall the reason for knowing how to swim. Courageous conversations. Let’s continue having them.

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2 Comments »

  1. Hello Jenn –

    I am the white participant who, as you said, was publicly admonished. I appreciate your characterization of the event and love that you connected it to Mr. Quinones’s message and specifically to his show, “What Would You Do?” First of all, please know that I am okay — more than okay, in fact, better for having had the experience. Were I wedded to polite and comfortable conversation and emotion I would not be pursuing the work of the white ally.

    I am deeply grateful for the support and insights offered by the group of attendees who gathered around me following the workshop as well as those who tracked me down in the days that followed. I am also so sorry for the pain I inadvertently imposed on various workshop members.

    There are no (and never were) hard feelings on this end. Though not race related, I have buttons of my own that when pushed trigger intensely negative thoughts, feelings, and words from another time and place. We are all susceptible to the phenomenon of lashing out at others with the fuel of stored pain.

    That being said, I did feel horribly stereotyped and misjudged. I was flustered by the first comment, which resulted in increasingly clumsy language on my part as I tried to explain my initial comment. By the end of the session I wished I were invisible. The next morning as I walked towards the convention center, I felt so small, sad, and wounded I barely recognized myself. I had come to the conference by myself, not even a private school teacher. I felt alone, misunderstood, and like a fish out of water. Isolated and in pain, I wondered, “Is this similar to the pain of racial discrimination?” And mine was just a single incident. My ability to empathize has taken on new depth.

    I am a public school teacher, frustrated by the racial divide that plays out in classrooms and in throughout our society. I have taken time off to study the culture of race in general and my own whiteness in particular. As a part of this process I’m writing a memoir entitled “Waking Up White.” I came to the conference hoping to deepen my understanding and continue raising my awareness. I couldn’t have asked for a richer experience and thank all those who words and actions touched me.

    Thank you Jenn for including our “courageous conversation” in your blog.

    With love and gratitude,

    Debby Irving

    Comment by Debby Irving — December 7, 2009 @ 2:48 pm | Reply

  2. Wow, never in a million years would I have imagined this post would find its way to the one attendee I would have most have wanted it to reach. I thank Debby sincerely, for sharing her feelings and thoughts with us. It makes me feel very enlightened to see that the experience only helped to deepen her commitment rather than discourage her. Namaste.

    Comment by Jenn Gutierrez — December 7, 2009 @ 6:06 pm | Reply


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